The Friend Zone

Marlene Dietrich once said, “It’s the friends you can call up at 4 AM that matter.”

So, who are your “4 AM friends”? Is there anyone in your life that you can talk to about anything and everything – your biggest problems and your deepest questions?

If so, how did you get to that point in the relationship where anything goes? And, if not, how do you even begin to establish such a relationship?

On this episode of The DBC Podcast, I’m joined by two of my favorite occasional co-hosts, Katie Phillips (Director of our church’s 1Family foster-care ministry), and Mark Paul (Minister with Students) to discuss the importance of genuine friendships, and how such relationships are established. What does it take to find friends you can truly trust – who know you inside and out – and what steps can each of us take to live the kind of life that allows such connections to happen?

We’re so excited to bring this episode to you, as it marks the beginning of Volume 2 of The DBC Podcast. We’re looking forward to a great 2016 of in-depth conversations that inspire us all to grow in our faith and impact our culture. As always, add your own thoughts, stories and questions in the comments section below, and we may even feature them on an upcoming episode!

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Episode 25 – The Friend Zone

2 thoughts on “The Friend Zone

  1. Welcome Back Podcast Crew! Glad to hear that everyone had a great holiday season, even with Mark’s lonely sportsball time. I think Katie hit it on the head when she closed with how important vulnerability is to true friendship. I know personally, my 4am friends were all forged out of moments of sincere vulnerability on either side’s part. One question though, looking at the other side of the coin, what are your thoughts on how to move away from friends that one has identified as not being ultimately the right people? I have some people in my life who have been friends for a long time, but I have grown to know are not bad people, just are not the best influences to have as part of my life. I still want to be able to provide a positive witness to them, but cannot deny that I would grow more personally without some aspects of their influence. Anyhow, thoughts? Thank you Mark too for the call out that you have to get out there and put in the effort, no free lunches!


    1. Hey, Sam! Thanks for the comment. And that’s a great question. Sorry for the delay in responding. Toward the end of our latest episode (“It’s About Time”), I address your question and offer at least one way to think about this.

      I don’t think it comes down to putting these friends out completely, as you may be a great influence to them without even realizing it. However, it might be helpful to consider how much time you spend with these friends as opposed to healthy community and friendships. Listen to episode 26 and let me know if I’ve started to answer your question…


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