Cloudy with a Chance of Hope

Frodo bearing the one ring to Mordor.

Luke Skywalker becoming a powerful Jedi knight.

Harry Potter in search of Horcruxes.

Russell Crowe russell-crowing his way through the Roman Coliseum.

We are drawn to stories about perseverance – about people succeeding in their courses despite obstacle after obstacle, villain after villain – and yet in our own life we find it difficult to even persevere in the little things.

Why is that?

Is perseverance just wishful thinking, or is there a way to truly stay the course, to remain steadfast?

According to the book of Hebrews, there most certainly is. It boils down to focusing on that which is unseen (11:1), just like our Savior did. And the climax of this message is found in 12:1-3, which makes it pretty clear that the center of our focus must be the Originator (you may have “Author” and “Perfector” in your Bible’s translation) who has stayed the same course before us, and has shown us the way.

It isn’t easy, but it is simple.

On this episode of The DBC Podcast, I sat down with DBC’s Senior Pastor, Allen Jackson, for an in-depth conversation on perseverance as it is described in Hebrews 12. We talked about who shows up in our own personal clouds of witnesses, and what areas we both currently face struggles that require perseverance. Allen also shared some of his thoughts on the creation of our next Sunday sermon series, Only Jesus, which focuses exclusively on the real, historical Jesus we encounter in the Gospels. Allen talked about why a message on perseverance should naturally lead us to think about this real, bonafide Savior from Nazareth.

Make sure to leave your own thoughts in the comment section below. We would love to hear from you and respond to any follow-up questions you may have. After all, this is not simply a 45-minte conversation. It’s an ongoing conversation, and we certainly don’t presume to have the last word. Let us know what you think.

You can also check out more of Allen’s thoughts on his blog,, from which he quoted from in the episode. The entry is called “On Transitions.” And if you still need more to read, you can take a look at my own blog, You can also follow both of us on Twitter: @youthprof and @bovernon.

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